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This fight and unfortunate death didn't result from some drunken brawl, a fistfight over a woman or something like that at a moment of intense passion.<br /><br />Sure, the socio-economic circumstances of why these young men got into gangs is something which should be looked into but at the same time, I find the bleeding heart western liberal attitude of more sympathy for the perpetrator than the victim to only encourage perpetrators to use such arguments or their own circumstances to justify their actions and to blame society for their wrong doings.<br /><br />Whilst it should always not have to be, still, in some cases, it needs the fear of punishment, including the death penalty to deter some people from doing something wrong.<br /><br />What workable alternatives do those who are so against a justly and appropriately imposed death penalty have to offer besides ranting and raving against those who support it.<br /><br /><br />Scheiss.Geistnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7980499113043218220.post-63187796742281687382012-07-09T14:38:25.082+08:002012-07-09T14:38:25.082+08:00while foreigners are swarming our country... we ha...while foreigners are swarming our country... we have these stupid kids wasting their lives... stare... gang... brother... oh so glorious... my foot.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7980499113043218220.post-92200682510973213082012-06-08T18:38:33.044+08:002012-06-08T18:38:33.044+08:00Darren deserved what he got. The 4 should swing. ...Darren deserved what he got. The 4 should swing. Simple.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7980499113043218220.post-17383510121061573212011-09-20T01:16:06.353+08:002011-09-20T01:16:06.353+08:00has they been sentence....has they been sentence....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7980499113043218220.post-59188278867125353632011-04-21T13:15:11.846+08:002011-04-21T13:15:11.846+08:00When will the verdict be out ?When will the verdict be out ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7980499113043218220.post-71831089224981120472011-03-06T02:58:53.459+08:002011-03-06T02:58:53.459+08:00Im glad that these trash of society are put away w...Im glad that these trash of society are put away where they rightfully belong. Though, with that said, it does not mean I stand on Darren’s side. It takes two hands to clap. By being a gang member himself, he brought his fate upon himself. Play with fire and you’ll get burnt. Im appalled that everyone placed him on a pedastal, mourning him.. as if he was a respected marty, when in fact, he’s no better than the gangsters who took his life. Everyone seems to have forgotten that Darren was a gangster himself, and was in fact at downtown east for a gang fight.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7980499113043218220.post-7856227667049620412011-01-09T00:15:02.736+08:002011-01-09T00:15:02.736+08:00Just hang all of them..Singapore is already over p...Just hang all of them..Singapore is already over populated..its time to get rid of 'good for nothing' citizens if Singapore wants to progress. Stricter laws must be applied. What is wrong with our justice system?. What is there to pity?. You dare to kill somebody viciously in public, you re not humane. Why wanna waste money keeping them in jail and who is going to guarantee that they won't kill again in future..Please just hang them and close case so we can move forward.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7980499113043218220.post-47907517642559253092010-11-14T03:08:27.991+08:002010-11-14T03:08:27.991+08:00The 4 or 10 members who killed should not be hange...The 4 or 10 members who killed should not be hanged.Instead, chop off their 2 hands and legs and sent them back to thier gang members.Let them live and suffer for life.Should follow the iran law style.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7980499113043218220.post-18770446332467510932010-11-13T13:08:46.637+08:002010-11-13T13:08:46.637+08:00The solitude in prison will make them go crazy and...The solitude in prison will make them go crazy and when execution day comes these so called tough fellows will regret for what they have done. <br /><br />Probably their legs will tremble, urinate and shit in their pants when escorted to the gallows. Judgement day will come and the feeling of this kind of death is far worst off than they can imagine.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7980499113043218220.post-91101716759334235932010-11-12T10:38:05.488+08:002010-11-12T10:38:05.488+08:00Who is Mr Francis Ng? His picture seem similar to ...Who is Mr Francis Ng? His picture seem similar to another Francis Ng I seen in another website. <br /><br />No doubt it is sad that Darren has died, the more important question is how should innocent people stay alive in situation like this? <br /><br />Mugging and Slashing occur everyday in any other country in the world, Japan, Korea, UK, US etc and they don't deny that it happen. The more we live in delusion, that these things are in the minority, and go crazy each time something of this nature happen, we are just ensuring that it will occur again. <br /><br />Should they be hanged, should they not be hang. The United States execute the death penalty as well, and yet there are so few comments on their decision not to abolish it. <br /><br />In time of peace, we can debate about should or shouldn't. Yet ask the family of the 9/11 victim should the terrorist be hanged, and go reason and preached to them, that it is wrong to hang an innocent and living man, who participated but is not the mastermind of the 9/11 bombing. Go figure.<br /><br />Chances are, not all 4 or 6 or 10 of the people will be hang, if any at all. But that we can only wait and see.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7980499113043218220.post-19216397764349057182010-11-11T22:15:07.702+08:002010-11-11T22:15:07.702+08:00To add on, dont compromise on our own moral and et...To add on, dont compromise on our own moral and ethics and conform to the rigidity of the law!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7980499113043218220.post-55277950230850698952010-11-11T21:35:32.718+08:002010-11-11T21:35:32.718+08:00Is an eye for an eye approach suited?? Do you rape...Is an eye for an eye approach suited?? Do you rape a rapist, steal from a thief?? More importantly,why do we have to stoop to their level of taking lives!If we are for capital punishment, aren't we condoning such acts?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7980499113043218220.post-36896069904424302352010-11-11T19:00:37.272+08:002010-11-11T19:00:37.272+08:00With all due respect, I pay my condolescence to Da...With all due respect, I pay my condolescence to Darren's family. Undeniably, this is a tragedy and actions of the perpetrators should be taken seriously.Sure, there is much hate and rage against them and we can't wait to get them terminated to punish them and avoid such incidence from happening again but we need to look from both perspectives.<br /><br />Most of the perpetrators come from complicated background, poor upbringing and at that life stage, they are easily influenced by their peers. I'm not saying they should be pardoned because of these factors but I would like you to understand that they are unlike the majority of us, which sometimes can take what we have for granted. For eg, we experience love and therefore we know how to love, values are strongly inculcated in us and therefore we hold them as our principles in life. However,some of them might not have such fundermental experiences to shape their values and are easily misled by wrong values. Sure at this age, they should be aware of the basics of right and wrong, but these are not integrated deeply in them. Therefore at a time of impusivity and under the heavy peer influence, values of what is right are just not strongly held in them.<br /><br />I always believe that deep in all of man, we would want the better for ourselves, a better job, a good family, a better future etc. None of us wants to end up being an outcast of society or the lowest of society. But why do these youth did what they did? This is simply because they are not taught to understand and more importantly, to INTEGRATE the importance of doing what's right.<br /><br />Therefore, it may seemed that their actions are totally absurd or unforgivable. Of course at face value, I admitted to such rage but if you were to look deeper into their life stories, you may find insights to their actions. Dont' get me wrong, I am absolutely for the stand to take their actions seriously however I am not for capital punishment. Sure we have to punish them hard but surely, there should be another alternative to just capital punishment. <br /><br />I felt that they should be given long-term imprisonment. One, as a form of deterrence and put a halt to their actions. Secondly, rehabilitation in prison can help them gain insight and the importance of social justice. Third, it is to give them a chance to atone for their sins. Don't teach the public to stop murder by murdering them. Some of us have taken for granted the value of life, it is so precious and it is like a miracle happening every second that we are living. To just being able to breathe, move and talk, though seemed really a common thing that we may take for granted, are what some people who are unable to do may yearn for. (for eg, the sick). So dont' take the lives of these youth away for I believe a greater good can come out of them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7980499113043218220.post-61251000465205090932010-11-11T18:59:32.547+08:002010-11-11T18:59:32.547+08:00With all due respect, I pay my condolescence to Da...With all due respect, I pay my condolescence to Darren's family. Undeniably, this is a tragedy and actions of the perpetrators should be taken seriously.Sure, there is much hate and rage against them and we can't wait to get them terminated to punish them and avoid such incidence from happening again but we need to look from both perspectives.<br /><br />Most of the perpetrators come from complicated background, poor upbringing and at that life stage, they are easily influenced by their peers. I'm not saying they should be pardoned because of these factors but I would like you to understand that they are unlike the majority of us, which sometimes can take what we have for granted. For eg, we experience love and therefore we know how to love, values are strongly inculcated in us and therefore we hold them as our principles in life. However,some of them might not have such fundermental experiences to shape their values and are easily misled by wrong values. Sure at this age, they should be aware of the basics of right and wrong, but these are not integrated deeply in them. Therefore at a time of impusivity and under the heavy peer influence, values of what is right are just not strongly held in them.<br /><br />I always believe that deep in all of man, we would want the better for ourselves, a better job, a good family, a better future etc. None of us wants to end up being an outcast of society or the lowest of society. But why do these youth did what they did? This is simply because they are not taught to understand and more importantly, to INTEGRATE the importance of doing what's right.<br /><br />Therefore, it may seemed that their actions are totally absurd or unforgivable. Of course at face value, I admitted to such rage but if you were to look deeper into their life stories, you may find insights to their actions. Dont' get me wrong, I am absolutely for the stand to take their actions seriously however I am not for capital punishment. Sure we have to punish them hard but surely, there should be another alternative to just capital punishment. <br /><br />I felt that they should be given long-term imprisonment. One, as a form of deterrence and put a halt to their actions. Secondly, rehabilitation in prison can help them gain insight and the importance of social justice. Third, it is to give them a chance to atone for their sins. Don't teach the public to stop murder by murdering them. Some of us have taken for granted the value of life, it is so precious and it is like a miracle happening every second that we are living. To just being able to breathe, move and talk, though seemed really a common thing that we may take for granted, are what some people who are unable to do may yearn for. (for eg, the sick). So dont' take the lives of these youth away for I believe a greater good can come out of them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7980499113043218220.post-15822465999228458742010-11-10T17:29:27.365+08:002010-11-10T17:29:27.365+08:00it all started when darren a;ways came to woodland...it all started when darren a;ways came to woodland blk 806 to smoke and act ,behave in a gangsterly manner. don't follow ,listen and obey RP rules, and he become bolder and garang so end up like that. all student don't smoke here or i will call 806 and 999 to get you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7980499113043218220.post-18559696520639848682010-11-10T12:15:05.965+08:002010-11-10T12:15:05.965+08:00when a group of people come together and inflict h...when a group of people come together and inflict harm on a person, the members cannot say that they have no common intent, for if they can say that and get away with it,then that is as good as saying that there is no law, or a need to have a law guiding on such matters. When a member or more from that gang purchased knives prior to a confrontational meeting with someone, they are not buying it to prepare a meal, aren't they?. The rest of the gang cannot say that they did not know that someone is carrying a knife or parang, for are they blind or what?. Despite being superior in numerical numbers, the gang still had to purchase the knives knowing fully well the damage they could inflict on the lesser group. If there was no common intent from all of them to inflict death, then what is?.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7980499113043218220.post-4455870485468369862010-11-09T14:58:17.909+08:002010-11-09T14:58:17.909+08:00Lets wait to see when the rest being arrested...Lets wait to see when the rest being arrested...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7980499113043218220.post-88004475196023662962010-11-09T08:50:22.406+08:002010-11-09T08:50:22.406+08:00Some may believe that the law should hang them all...Some may believe that the law should hang them all, but the law should justifiably be outside common opinion and impartially decide based on the facts and circumstances of the case. Regarding many opinions of 'common intent' stated here, it might be useful to gain some proper legal knowledge of the stance of the courts in Singapore before jumping to conclusions and demanding the hanging of all 10 simply because of 'common intent'.<br /><br />The facts of the stabbing at Downtown East have yet to be conclusively decided and right now there are still points made that are not substantiated. No court should make decisions of capital punishment based simply on emotion. The rules of law, as 'cold' as you may view it to be, has to be fulfilled.<br /><br />Leaving the question of the facts (undetermined) at this point, common intention is held by the judges to require the establishment "beyond any shadow of doubt that the criminal act was done by several persons in furtherance of the common intention of all. In other words, the prosecution must prove facts to justify an inference that all the participants of the act had shared a common intention to commit the criminal act which was finally committed by one or more of the participants."<br /><br />See the case stated by the Singapore Law Watch (Criminal Appeal case decided in 2010.<br />http://www.singaporelawwatch.sg/remweb/legal/ln2/rss/judgment/11595.html?utm_source=rss%20subscription&utm_medium=rss<br /><br />In the context of this case, the prosecution has to prove that all 10 had the common intention to kill Darren. It is not sufficient for the other 9 to have the intent to cause Darren harm. The common intent must be the intent to kill, else the common intent requirement will fail. That is not to say that the rest cannot be charged under another offence, but it would not be right for all 10 to be charged for murder, if that was not their common intent. The criminal act done by the actual doer which results in the offence charged would be considered to be done in furtherance of the common intention of all the offenders only if that common intention includes an intention to commit the very criminal act done by the actual doer.<br /><br />The one person who stabbed Darren in the throat was guilty of murder, there's no doubt about that. As for the other 9, it is for the courts to decide, not you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7980499113043218220.post-89633915629655131722010-11-08T17:28:58.789+08:002010-11-08T17:28:58.789+08:00People like you think that you are unbiased and ar...People like you think that you are unbiased and are just shedding light on the situation. That darren might not have been as innocent as he seems to have been portrayed. Maybe he wasnt. but how sure are you that he was or wasnt unless you were there. The 4 fuckers that killed him deserve death. <br />Maybe you say that they dont becuase it might not be their fault to begin with. You said that-<br /><br />"When the lead assailant came out of prison, he was unable to locate Darren's friend. On the night Darren Ng was assaulted and killed at Downtown East, he recognised Darren's group of 3 as the friends of the enemy he made in prison. <br /><br />This lead to a confrontation which resulted in a purchase of knives from the nearby supermarket and a mad 500m chase inside the holiday resort. Darren Ng was mobbed and stabbed repeatedly, one of which was fatal - a stab to Darren's throat which ripped his jugular vein. Darren died in hospital hours after the attack."<br /><br />One of the fuckers was already in prison, this just proves that prison wont do people like this any good. They are not the least fearful of it. AND tell me this, you already wrote that darren was stabbed fatally- maybe to you, being stabbed fatally is a form of childplay huh?<br /><br />All the different actions that those 4 fuckers did brings us to this conclusion. THEY DESERVE DEATH! No matter what, does Darren deserve death just because his friends were targetted by that fucker?<br /><br />Self righteous people like you truly disgust me. You think that your trying to act all impartial and trynig to shed a new light. Wait till someone you love gets brutally murdered like this, then YOU tell me whether those fuckers deserve the death sentenceAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7980499113043218220.post-86086408730510464912010-11-08T13:06:34.784+08:002010-11-08T13:06:34.784+08:00Make sure after hanging paste their photos in all ...Make sure after hanging paste their photos in all schools notice board as a reminder to students not to be involved in gangs and also the consequences of doing so.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7980499113043218220.post-64867738428328667582010-11-08T12:32:53.962+08:002010-11-08T12:32:53.962+08:00Can any of you remember the Pulau Senang riots? E...Can any of you remember the Pulau Senang riots? Eighteen were hung for the murder of Supt. Dutton (the Warden) and one other from memory. The sanctity of human life must remain guarded to the hilt. As for drug traffickers, show them no mercy either...the death penalty must apply. As for all those involved in Darren Ng's murder (if proven), they should all hang if it was clear cut murder. I am not a lawyer but I believe it is called "common intention". I wish we had Singapore's laws in Australia for drugs, rape, murder and other major crimes. This is the only deterrent for such serious crimes. They get away with murder in Australia (excuse the pun). I am an Australian who lived in Singapore for 37 years and I still support the laws there now, as I did when I lived there. Good on ya Singapore!James Connornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7980499113043218220.post-2619021847522394892010-11-08T12:04:28.829+08:002010-11-08T12:04:28.829+08:00Folks please note the physical size of singapore.....Folks please note the physical size of singapore...<br /><br />Yes the death penalty is harsh...and we must do all we can that only those who deserve to died for their crimes received it...<br /><br />For these "know it all but ignorant men" who participate in the killing of Darren Ng, they should pay the price if found guilty based on the physical evidence and based on close association to the crime...and if we were to try to understand the circumstances and how the penalty should be adjusted to the crime...we are opening a can of worms and multitudes of gray areas for such similar murder/killing crimes in the future [except for those in self defence or "accidental" deaths or "proven" mental illness]...<br /><br />With these "gray" areas created...how many high security prisons Singapore will then need to have? If any tom, dick or harry says he participate in a killing/murder because of his "love of his friends" or he wasn't the one who hold the murder weopon/s or he has no "intent" to kill due to sensitive emotions which cause him to attack someone...so how... sentence these people to life imprisonment or a for a long term prison...but i re-interate again how many prisons can Singapore built and has the capacity to hold more of these "grey in the area" criminals...<br /><br />From what i understand currently, Singapore prisons are already bursting at the seams...<br /><br />probably part of the reason for the idiotic yellow ribbon project which is a joke [mercy should be decided by a panel and how much has the convict "really" and "truely" changed for the betterment of society at large]...weird...mercy for the criminals but how about the victims who were originally victimized...no mercy for the victims is it?<br /><br />But i digress...please examine the facts and be realistic what Singapore can and cannot do because of the real physical space constraints and "real" living space.<br /><br />Forgiveness is fine...but idiocy will only make the less bold more bold to the idiots expense and further loss of lives...<br /><br />Sad.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com